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The Old Laws

February 11, 2013

Posted by Koanic under Christianity

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These are the old laws, that I follow.

Some Christians follow Paul, and believe that the law is no longer in effect. I follow Jesus, who said that not one stroke of the law shall pass away. Yet he also often broke the law, in the eyes of the Jews, and fulfilled the law, in the eyes of God the Judge. He represents a person, not a book – the Father. But the Father wrote the laws. And thus the old laws still apply, because they reflect His character.

1. You shall have no other gods before me.

And no modern day ideology/religion before me. All liberals are damned here.

2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image

The truth of this can still be seen in the low paganism of the Catholics in South America, and elsewhere. Not that I am an iconoclast, but I would break the images there.

3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain

Show proper respect. The occasional curse is not what this is talking about, although that is not entirely respectful either.

4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Do no work.

A forgotten rule, and part of showing respect for the Creator. Also, beneficial.

5. Honor your father and your mother

Timeless. When in doubt, err towards respect. This does not mean, always respect and obey.

6. You shall not murder.

Does not mean pacifism or justified homicide. Christian soldiers are to remain soldiers.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

As a former PUA, I have wrestled hard with this one. Eventually the truth became plain – and it was vastly different than what almost everyone teaches.

The old law is: one flesh. Sex is marriage. Certificates are irrelevant. Men are allowed polygamy.

Adultery is another man’s wife. The past is irrelevant. Jesus told the woman with seven husbands to remain with her current one.

Male duties are provision, protection, sex and children. I do not say what the female duties are, because it doesn’t matter. The man should enforce his will through Game and the threat of an additional wife, not Scripture.

You may separate with an impossible wife or husband, but beware making your partner an adulterer. Make all due effort. Divorce is permissible only in cases of female adultery, in which case she is dead to you.

8. You shall not steal.

Timeless.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Timeless.

10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s anything.

Sin begins in the heart.

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To these, I would add: gossip, idleness, gluttony, rage, drunkenness, pride, failure to care for kin – for a start.

Pride is interpersonal. The lord of biomechanics rules us all, and distributes gifts unequally. We must judge, and see clearly, and yet not become proud, if gifted, or craven, if not.

Caring for kin extends outwards by degrees, and includes one’s own race before another. Yet the Good Samaritan was all the more righteous for that – as were the genocidal conquests of wicked peoples. Quick and clean, not bloody oppression and slavery, is God’s style.

The old laws are a skeleton; the bones of God’s character. It is good to be a man who understands the times, and knows what needs to be done. Fealty to God is a duty that consumes the mind in the now. The goal is to be like Jesus Christ – when you see him, you have seen the Father.

The whole Bible is profitable for understanding the Father. That means the Old Testament, the racist book of blood and steel. Follow Him, the Creator, not Paul, a man, nor Marx, the Satanic prophet.

Adam

There are two types of pride.
1. False(bad) pride. Pride that is engendered by fear of defeat and shame.ex: Someone doesn’t want to lose so he avoids people while upholding a guise of superiority.(probably gammas)
His pride is just an exterior image based on ideals, a way for him to feel superior.
That’s why he always talks contemptuously about almost everyone…behind their backs.

2.Good (real) pride. Pride that is engendered by past achievements, honor, knowledge..etc.ex: Someone who goes out seeking challenge and danger without the fear of losing his image.
His pride is based on his merit. When his merit grows his pride also grows and people will sense his superiority. He doesn’t need need to be mean/bad/evil to people, he doesn’t have to, he is too proud to waste his energies on shameful games of domination. He only fights who is as strong as or stronger than him.

btw: as you were in china, do you know were I can buy an old testament?

Koanic

I would suggest online

Julius Severus

Jesus taught clearly on multiple occasions that the Jews were no longer God’s chosen people, that they were being rejected and replaced by a new people, who would fulfill God’s intentions. If the Mosaic law was so important, why would he teach that?

Also, He taught plainly that the purpose and fulfillment of the Law was spiritual, related to mercy, love, humility, and forgiveness, not literal (such as Sabbath work laws or sacrifice rules).

You are not the first person to misinterpret Matthew 5:18. Aside from the above considerations, just remember that the whole purpose of the Sermon on the Mount was to UPDATE the Law, showing how, point by point, the true meaning of the Law is spiritual, not literal.

These are NOT Pauline glosses, they go to the very heart and soul of the Lord’s personal teachings. The attempt to separate Paul from Jesus is a fool’s errand, always easily refuted, and always motivated by anti-Christian forces.

Koanic

If you want to argue that my interpretation is wrong, quote the sentence disagreed with, and the verse that contradicts. Too vague.

Booch Paradise

I would also add that how Jesus broke the law was much like how it would be breaking the law today if I were to obtain an AA-12. Generally when Jesus was accused of breaking the law, he quoted scripture justifying what he was doing. At that point in time their interpretation of the law was in rebellion.
TheoConfidor

Two questions. How do you interpret commandment number 9? Growing up I was taught that it means “Don’t lie.” Now, I think that a stricter reading is required and that lying may not be a cut and dry moral issue. What is your stance?
Also, what do you regard as pride? What sorts of pride should be avoided? Is it wrong to consider oneself superior to others, when there are objective metrics that can be used to prove said superiority? For example: physical fitness, IQ…etc.

Koanic

I think 9 means what it says – don’t falsely accuse. I don’t take a hard universal stance on lying, but look at the example of Jesus.

It is unfortunately impossible to rid oneself of pride/cravenness except via a process of maturity. Meditation, philosophy, packlike activities such as an MMA gym, and study of social dynamics including Game are all useful for this.

http://twitter.com/matteospinola Matteo Spinola

I would be very hardcore on 9. Again, it’s not about precisely interpretating the letter, but more about extracting its meaning. Even the smallest, tiniest lie, even the one you say for good reasons it’s against 9. If you decide to be truthful, you have to be 100% truthful. Not 99%. God doesn’t like the lukewarm.
Also, it’s an inner game issue. You should never ever be afraid of the truth. People will feel that, and respect you.

cleve_blakemore

If you fear the truth, chances are you’re afraid of one hell of a lot more. If you just fear God and tell the truth you will find you simplified your life an awful lot.

http://twitter.com/matteospinola Matteo Spinola

I think there is a lot to dig here.
There is Matthew 5:17-18.
But the most crucial thing is, in my humble opinion, still in the Exodus and Deuter. . The Decalogue is given to the people of Israel two times. The content of the decalogue is even repeated twice. The first time, Moses comes back from the mountain, finds the people adoring an idol, and destroys the two tablets. Eventually, another pair of tablets is created and given to the people. Why?
I think the first pair of tablets represents the law that will be given two thousand years later by God through Yeshua. Israel was not ready at the time. Moses so gets a more adequate set of law.
This leads us to Matthew. Yeshua says he hasn’t come to abolish, but to fulfill the law. To reveal their hidden meaning, which was symbolically concealed with the destruction of the first tablets and edulcorated in the second set.

The Decalogue is strictly tied with karma. Karma is for weak, inexperienced souls. Most of us are inexperienced souls. We need rules, else we’ll fuck up. If you are Moses or Jesus, you can break karma and get away with it (Moses killed people, Jesus broke the law repeatedly). If I break karma, I’ll get hammered. Not by the Almighty Himself, but by the ones who use it for the slavery of the souls. Paul talks about them. I’m having a very Gnostic take here, which is I think the best theology available at the moment.

So I think you should follow the old laws, but also transcend them. If you would never murder, do you need “thou shall not murder”? Nope. And so on. I try to be totally pure, just as Yeshua was. Everything else will follow. If you are totally pure, the judges of karma won’t have any power on you, and your soul will be free to evolve.

http://twitter.com/matteospinola Matteo Spinola

I have to add something.
Where there is law (or any rule), there is temptation. “Don’t think of a pink elephant”. Your stupid monkey brain doesn’t process negation. And Adam ate the fruit.

The Matrix sets rules, so men will break them and be slave forever.
If you transcend them, you transcend temptation.
Koanic

Some of what you are saying sounds good, but I am definitely not a gnostic.

TEM

I’ve been playing around with a certain idea that I’m tentatively calling “theology is idolatry,” which basically means that the spirituality expressed in the Old Testament and the Gospels may seem irrational at times not because it actually is irrational, but because it is beyond human language rationality; and most of what we call “theology” is the vain and misguided attempt to fit it into frail human reason and language. So God’s word, even when expressed in words, is actually beyond human words and inexpressible in traditional human words. This is why we get weird contradictions and absurdities in Churchian teachings; and “theology is idolatry” because it is a man made attempt to express in human words and human thought patterns that which can only be expressed by divine words in divine thought patterns.

Wittgenstein, whose philosophical work dealt with the inadequacy of ordinary language to express many things, and whose Christianity was somewhat heterodox said:

“The spring which flows quietly and transparently through the Gospels seems to have foam
on it in Paul’s Epistles. Or, that is how it seems to me. Perhaps it is
just my own impurity which sees cloudiness in it; for why shouldn’t
this impurity be able to pollute what is clear? But to me it’s as if I
saw human passion here, something like pride or anger, which does not
agree with the humility of the Gospels. As if there were here an
emphasis on his own person, and even as a religious act, which is
foreign to the Gospel. In the Gospels – so it seems to me – everything
is less pretentious, humbler, simpler.”

Koanic

I agree that the quality goes downhill after the Gospels. But then, how could it not.

Frank Stein

“Thou shall not murder” and being an actual soldier in the modern world, are incompatible. Wars today are not fought because the defense of the country is at stake; they are geopolitical games to ensure economic advantage for the ruling class. If you kill a guy on the other side, you are committing murder; that it is a matter of self-defense in that moment means nothing, since you have free will to join an organization that sends young people halfway around the world to battle invented demons.

That you think the Lord’s commandment can so easily be swept under the rug of modern secular life, is shameful. Following the Law is not easy, but that it is hard is no excuse to ignore it.

Koanic

This is no different than the plight of the Roman soldier of that day, unless you want to argue that Rome “defensively” expanded to conquer the whole world.
cleve_blakemore

This is why I got out of the military. I am not going to murder another human being no matter who tells me it is okay. God told me it is wrong. Self-defense is self-defense and murder is murder and never the twain shall meet. One good way to determine who the asshole is in any situation is to look down on your feet and check if they are in your own backyard. If they are in another guy’s backyard and you are trying to kill him, it doesn’t matter if the government told you some crap about weapons of mass destruction or any of their other gibberish. You are the asshole if you are the aggressor, the trespasser, the conqueror. Nations should only go to war to defend their own borders and stay the hell out of other people’s countries.

Koanic

I think there are different rules for TT’s – the self defense doctrine is right. But melons are also children of God, and conquerers. And God himself has mandated conquests.

Koanic Soul

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